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Post by notathome on Feb 14, 2020 16:39:57 GMT 10
That is a typical report that contains a lot of words but very little substance as it’s all about “look how good are we”.
There is very little information on hydrogen apart from some references to potential supplying hydrogen to consumers.
The documents do not state who, or how the hydrogen is going to be produced, let alone how the consumers, including domestic and industrial user, are going to be required to either replace, or upgrade their equipment to utilise any hydrogen supply.
Unfortunately, in my opinion these documents lack detail and are purely a marketing tool to be used to say “look at us aren’t we good”
And yes I can read, plus I used to be involved in writing this stuff, in a previous life.
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Post by gerrym on Feb 29, 2020 21:18:40 GMT 10
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Post by notathome on Feb 29, 2020 21:45:57 GMT 10
An interesting piece of information in there and I quote “ There’s a nearly $2 trillion global market for Hydrogen come 2050, assuming that we can drive the price of producing Hydrogen to substantially lower than $2 per kg”.
There’s an age old sayin’ that rings true every time, and that is “ assumption is the mother of all stuff ups”, or “making an assumption makes an ass out of you and me”.
Questions that arise are;
What is the current cost to generate Hydrogen ?
How can this be reduced, understanding potential economies of scale, but what is the scale ? ... this is not defined, or quantified.
There is too many assumptions, at the moment, for me to buy in to this, and I am yet to be convinced that this is nothing more than a Climate Change hysteria driven action undertaken as a knee jerk reaction to pacify a militant minority dictating to the rest of the world to achieve their own ends.
Just my opinion.
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Post by brickus on Mar 1, 2020 6:31:24 GMT 10
I read "Get the price under $2. Get them reliant on it and then raise the price to whatever you want."
It's a bit like drugs, give them a taste, get them hooked and then you've got them where you want them.
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Post by Old Techo on May 4, 2020 15:05:55 GMT 10
Government offers $300m to boost hydrogen investment under clean energy financing
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Post by Old Techo on May 14, 2020 15:58:32 GMT 10
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Post by Z emergency access on May 24, 2020 11:18:10 GMT 10
An often overlooked benefit of hydrogen is that it is not only a fuel but a means of storing energy.
(Am not new to this forum but being 'nice' is fine by me.)
Collyn
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Post by KeithB on May 24, 2020 11:49:51 GMT 10
Welcome back Collyn. Keith
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Post by loub on May 24, 2020 17:06:14 GMT 10
Yes the Hydrogen would be ideal but doesn't it need industry to make it using other forms of energy
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Post by Z emergency access on May 25, 2020 12:12:40 GMT 10
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Post by Old Techo on Jun 10, 2020 17:28:59 GMT 10
Australia ready to fast track commercial scale hydrogen
June 10, 2020News
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Post by Old Techo on Jun 12, 2020 16:24:25 GMT 10
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Post by nsgnomad on Jun 12, 2020 23:01:56 GMT 10
Watch this space eh...
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Post by Old Techo on Jun 19, 2020 17:21:24 GMT 10
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Post by Old Techo on Jul 3, 2020 9:02:34 GMT 10
Today's Age newspaper...
Hydrogen power moves step closer
Peter Hannam The promise of low-cost hydrogen storage to power homes and businesses may be closer to reality if new technology developed and owned in Australia can make a speedy transition from the lab.
The country has more than 2 million homes with solar panels and new large-scale solar and wind farms are jostling for access to the power grid. University of NSW researchers led by Kondo-Francois Aguey-Zinsou say they have developed metal alloys capable of storing surplus electricity in the form of hydrogen much more cheaply than lithium batteries to take advantage of the renewables rush. ‘‘You can call me an alchemist, if you will,’’ Professor Aguey-Zinsou said, laughing. ‘‘It is a game changer in how we use electricity – it’s like the internet revolution.’’ The scientist said he had spent 20 years developing the metal hydrides that can bond with hydrogen. The system uses power to create hydrogen, which is then stored until needed for electricity production via a fuel cell. Professor Aguey-Zinsou said the alloy contained titanium and ‘‘other common materials’’, but declined to name them, pending the issuance of a formal patent expected within weeks. The solid-state mix can operate in a range of temperatures – such as from minus-10 to 50 degrees – depending on the climate the storage was intended for. ‘‘It’s safe, it’s not flammable,’’ he said. ‘‘You cannot create the conditions when you have a certain burst of hydrogen.’’ Hydrogen has lately emerged as a prospective alternative to fossil fuels. The Morrison government launched a National Hydrogen Strategy late last year, identifying break-even points needed to supplant gas and petrol. UNSW’s Hydrogen Energy Research Centre, backed by $10 million from Providence Asset Group, reckons it is ready to produce the world’s first hydrogen batteries for households as soon as early 2021. ‘‘We aim to launch the LAVO [brand] commercial product by the end of this year, and start pilot production in the first quarter of next year,’’ Alan Yu, a co-founder of Providence, said. The plan was to make the batteries in Australia. ‘‘It’s cheaper and cleaner than buying from the grid,’’ Mr Yu, an entrepreneur who also invests in artificial intelligence, said. ‘‘This will help households to accelerate the clean energy transition in Australia and save money.’’ Amy Kean, a board member of the hydrogen centre and director of Stride Renewables, said the household batteries would most likely hold up to 60 kilowatt-hours, or about five times the capacity of existing lithium storage on the market. About 130 centimetres high, the size of a small fridge, each would weigh 196 kilograms.
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